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On the latest in the AWARE saga
It's not surprising in the least but still I'm disgusted that the takeover of AWARE was planned like a terrorist attack months ago by a fundie Christian church, and like all terrorist organisations, there will inevitably be clues that point back to it.

  • Leaked emails from COOS members showed that AWARE take-over was pre-planned in advance

  • Dr Thio upset over sexuality programme

    I find it ridiculous that Thio thinks that homosexuality is a man's issue when I happen to know a lot more lesbians than I do gays—unless of course she is myopic enough to be defining homosexuality as s377A defines it, in which case it is impossible to apply to women.

  • An Ethicist Speaks out on AWARE

    I would sign up and vote at the EOGM if only I could.  All the women who can vote, I would encourage you to sign up for the EOGM and help reverse the creeping spectre of Christian fundamentalism.


    However, I must admit that after reading the newspaper reports flying back and forth, I have had some nagging thoughts at the back of my mind.  The new ex-co claim that they decided to act because they felt that AWARE had lost its focus—which was to work to give disadvantaged women a voice, to ensure that women were treated fairly and to ensure that women had a choice, a say in deciding how their lives were run.  They were a group that focused on research on women's issues (hence the 'Research' part of the name).  But the new ex-co claims that they have started to delve into the pro-gay and pro-lesbian realm so far that they've neglected their original aim.

    Now while I would have dismissed such fundamentalist rhetoric as pure hyperbole, unfortunately they have brought up concrete examples to support their case—so much so that it has made me pause and think.

    From the list the new ex-co gave:
    PROMOTED A LESBIAN MOVIE

    Aware sponsored the screening of the lesbian-themed movie Spider Lilies (above) at its charity gala.  The film is about two lesbians who fall in love.

    In response to a parent's complaint about the movie, then-president Constance Singam said Aware embraced diversity and individual choices and was glad Singapore is now more open to discussing diversity.

    MOTHER'S DAY 2006

    Aware held an event featuring lesbian-friendly mothers and lesbian daughters talking about themselves.  The new team felt this was out of sync with how Mother's Day is usually celebrated.


    Honorary treasurer Maureen Ong, 55, said that she joined Aware because she was alarmed at the direction Aware was heading.

    'I am a mother of three children, so I'm concerned that going forward, what are the children going to be taught on as part of the so-called comprehensive sexual education?

    'I don't want my children to say that oh, it's all right to go and experiment with homosexuality, to experiment with anal sex, to experiment with virginity or the pill or even pre-marital sex.  I'm concerned.  I'm a parent.  It's shocking.  How can this be done in our Singapore society?'
    Also from Thio's original email:
    Aware is a woman's organisation which conducts comprehensive sexual programmes for girls and it runs this programme in some of the schools.  They encourage girls to express their full sexuality and this includes experimenting with other girls.
    Now what I would like to find out is whether or not there is any truth in these allegations.  While I still oppose whatever the new ex-co is out to achieve—because I am against imposing Christian fundamentalism on anyone, let alone secular organisations—I think the old guard is not altogether blameless if this is true.

    I am not against being gay, and neither do I condemn it.  But I accept it insofar as what all the gay people I know have been saying: that it's not a matter of choice, that they are born gay and there's nothing you can do about it.  It's just like Siamese twins or those kids who are exceptionally good at math or painting: they're born with it, there's nothing they can do about it, they didn't choose to be like that, and we should accept them as normal human beings.  If you are born gay, I will fight to defend your right to be gay and to be treated equally with all other straight people.

    But this is very different from promoting or advertising a gay lifestyle.  For want of a better example, if you compare it to drinking alcohol, it is something OK, it is something accepted, some people are natural born drinkers and others will keel over after half a glass.  But while consuming alcohol is something accepted in our society today, and no one is discriminated against (or should be discriminated against) because he is an alcohol drinker, we should not be promoting an alcoholic lifestyle.  And along with that, we should not be encouraging kids to experiment with being gay just like we should not be encouraging them to experiment with alcohol.  It is one thing for mature adults to decide for themselves but totally another for impressionable teenagers to be told this.

    In this respect, bringing schoolchildren to see a film about lesbian lovers and then telling them that a lesbian lifestyle is OK is rather out of line.  While there is nothing wrong with a film about lesbian lovers, why was there a need for AWARE to sponsor it?  Was there no other film able to portray discrimination against women or a woman's resilience, talent or value?  Embracing "diversity and individual choices" is very different from supporting or promoting diversity.  On that note too, organising a Mother's Day event featuring "lesbian-friendly mothers and lesbian daughters talking about themselves" sounds like something we'd expect Fridae or PLU or IndigNation to organise, but AWARE?  How does organising this event fit in with their stated focus on "the fundamental rights and responsibilities of women as women.  These include being treated as informed individuals capable of choice, being deserving of opportunities equal to those of men in education, marriage and employment; and being able to control their own bodies, particularly with regard to sexual and reproductive health"?  What does it have to do with giving women a voice and a say in deciding their lives?

    So yes, can anyone familiar with the old AWARE comment on whether these allegations are true and to what extent?


    I read this article recently that asked whether or not with society's increasing acceptance of gay people, that more and more people are now being gay because it has now somehow become fashionable.  If you are gay because you are naturally like that, that's alright.  But I think we should not be encouraging people to be gay just because it's fashionable.  That, I really have a problem with.


    On a totally gender un-neutral note, it seems like this AWARE thing has now descended into the catfight of the year, with both sides rallying and exhorting women to sign up and attend the May 2 EOGM as though they were forming some sort of Amazon army.  Some of the fundie rhetoric really sound like a cry for jihaad (and in some way they think it really is).  Now the new ex-co claims that they have been receiving death threats, the secretariat staff (who are presumably loyal to the old guard) have been "hostile" and "unco-operative", and the new ex-co has responded by firing the secretariat and changing the locks of the AWARE centre.  Somehow I wonder, if this had been an organisation of men instead, whether it would have resulted in such a bitchfest....


    Addendum [25 Apr 09 4:21 p.m.]
    I read the rebuttal by the AWARE old guard and I am relieved (especially by the last part) that the accusations by the new ex-co are unfounded.

    I am especially heartened by Dana Lam's statement: "We women have been saying that decisions—public, personal, family—cannot be made by only men; that they have to be made jointly with men.  If we walk the talk, then we have to give men the right to vote." [emphasis mine]  This really shows how enlightened they have become, where they believe that men have a say and that their opinions count, rather than the new ex-co's chest-thumping, bra-burning idea of 'gender equality'.  AWARE is, after all, about wanting to improve women's conditions and consequently their family's conditions, not about making sure women and men achieve "full gender equality".  That'll only happen when women and men share the same IPPT standards, the same toilets; and oh, women are allowed to walk on the beach topless.  Yeah. :P

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    [info]winstontlchow
    2009-04-24 04:16 pm UTC (link)
    Perhaps another question should be asked: How much of this conflict with the new EXCO stems from discomfort of LGBT intolerance, and how much of this arises from suspicion of the motives of religious fundamentalists?

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    [info]triciaseow
    2009-04-25 02:39 am UTC (link)
    and these aren't mutually exclusive right? cuz for me, it's both.

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 07:02 am UTC (link)
    How much of whose conflict?  Mine?

    If so, I think it's both. I am opposed to LGBT intolerance and I am suspicious of religious fundamentalists, especially those who operate like terrorists.

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    [info]mollymeek
    2009-04-24 08:12 pm UTC (link)
    "I don't want my children to say that oh, it's all right to go and experiment with homosexuality, to experiment with anal sex, to experiment with virginity or the pill or even pre-marital sex."

    How does one experiment with virginity?

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 06:03 am UTC (link)
    Hahaha I don't know.  It's probably another fundie Christian statement made as a knee-jerk reaction without thinking.

    Maybe to see how far they can go without technically losing it?

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    [info]mollymeek
    2009-04-25 08:24 am UTC (link)
    She might be a lesbian undercover with the agenda of discrediting fundies?

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    [info]heretiquely
    2009-04-26 07:55 am UTC (link)
    that was the question i was asking myself as well, molly! :P

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    [info]triciaseow
    2009-04-25 02:41 am UTC (link)
    These include being treated as informed individuals capable of choice, being deserving of opportunities equal to those of men in education, marriage and employment; and being able to control their own bodies, particularly with regard to sexual and reproductive health.

    Don't you think that part of being in control of their own bodies and sexual and reproductive health includes women's choices regarding their sexuality?


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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 06:17 am UTC (link)
    I think it does, but just as important as it is that women should be allowed to choose their sexuality, they should not be advocating any choices.

    It's like it's entirely a woman's choice whether she wants to be a harlot and sleep around with random married men, but they should not be telling kids that hey, if you choose to be a harlot and sleep around with random married men, that's A-OK.


    In a way because it should not exactly be a choice.  Because the crux of all the gay community have been saying all this while is that being gay is not a choice, it's what they are.  I think it is perfectly normal to be homosexual, but that is quite different from saying that it is perfectly normal to choose to be.  They should not be telling kids that hey it's OK for you to choose to be gay, but rather that if you are gay, that's OK and there's nothing wrong with it.

    In that respect, I'm rather relieved to read that Constance Singam clarified that in their programme, they say that homosexuality should be viewed in 'neutral' terms, rather than positive or negative.  I think this can still be refined further, but I'll find out more about what exactly it entails before making my comments.

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    [info]mollymeek
    2009-04-25 08:33 am UTC (link)
    We have to distinguish between:
    1. advocating homosexuality ( = "Please be lesbian"?)
    2. doing work to lessen the discrimination against gays and lesbians
    3. Saying that one accepts it personally or that one doesn't discriminate against others if they happen to be homosexual.

    The first is rather ridiculous, and the third isn't a problem to most sane people (I hope). The most contentious is really the second one, and it's taken by the overly sensitive to be No. 1 and by some to be No. 3.

    Within the limits of free speech, I won't have a problem with 2. I don't see anything wrong with telling students in a school (for example) not to discriminate against homosexuals and it is not the same as telling them to be homosexual. I would be open about it and advise that whether people think it's right or not, homosexuals do not deserve less respect as human beings by virtue of their sexuality. (But I think to people like the two Dr. Thios, this is tantamount to promoting homosexuality.)

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 11:01 am UTC (link)
    I don't know what manner of moralistic inquisitor would actually think that homosexuals deserve less respect as human beings purely because of their sexuality, but then again I suppose that would be the same character of people who run to the police crying "death threat" when someone says he wants to piss on their grave.

    I'm not saying that the programme may be telling students to be homosexual (#1), and I agree that it should tell students not to discriminate against homosexuals, i.e. being homosexual is OK, but I think that the programme should clearly ensure that it does not inadvertently tell students that it's OK if you choose to be homosexual.  The distinction may be readily apparent to us, but you must also remember that we don't live in a nation particularly known to be populated by reasonably bright people.


    NB: I'm not saying that that's what the programme is saying, but that it shouldn't.

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    [info]mollymeek
    2009-04-25 11:49 am UTC (link)
    Yeah, I know.

    As for what sort of moralistic inquisitor . . . the sort who say "i love you, but I know you have an evil agenda" lor...

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    [info]triciaseow
    2009-04-26 02:35 am UTC (link)
    but does AWARE actually tell kids explicitly that they should be lesbians? i know some of the people that work with AWARE: feminist geographers particularly, and while they do advocate freedom of choice and the rights of women to control their sexuality, as well as a tolerance of alternative lifestyles that may run counter to the dominant heterosexual ideology, at no point was there an agenda to encourage lesbian or gay lifestyles.

    how does supporting the rights of lesbian women to put on certain activities equate with wanting to make our children lesbian? it sounds to me that to some of these detractors, to not discriminate and to support the rights of lesbian women is tantamount to telling our kids that they should all go be lesbians. that's fuzzy logic.

    i know that if either of my kids turned out gay, i would still be supportive of them because their sexuality as adults is their right. i would never put down the gay community for their sexuality, nor would i ever support the stand that they should be a secretive community, the underbelly of society. we are not being neutral when we expect they stay silent. we are actually being discriminatory. building awareness and tolerance and supporting their rights, is to me basic and neutral. we are according them the respect that we give to heterosexual relationships and to heterosexual parents.

    sorry lah, the AWARE thing really gets on my nerves. not just the way in which the takeover was done, but also the beliefs and values system that undergirds what is being said. :)

    on a brighter note, we missed you last night at St James!

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-26 03:39 am UTC (link)
    I don't think they tell kids that, and after reading their CSE Fact Sheet, I think that it's fine by me.

    You know people who work in AWARE?  Actually, to be honest, I've been toying with the idea of working with AWARE for some time.  Personally I've never really been keen to do community service like visiting old folks or mentally handicapped children, but I am rather interested in working with NGOs in whatever limited capacity I can spare, and after doing a feminist module in uni, I've been quite interested in what AWARE is doing.

    And I share what you said about the rights of gay people and what pisses you off about the takeover.

    I'll be honest when I say this: I'd really rather my kids not turn out gay, but if they were, they would still be my kids, and nothing would change.

    Aaaaaaahhhhh... sob sob! I wanna go St Jamesssssss (with all of youuuuuuuuu...!)

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    [info]triciaseow
    2009-04-26 04:11 am UTC (link)
    i'm not sure who is in aware and who is not right now, but i'll ask my friend who clued me in to the debacle before it hit the news and let you know who you might want to contact... but now with the new guard... not sure if you want to be involved?

    when you come back, we must go again and again and again...

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-26 04:27 am UTC (link)
    Oh the real AWARE, of course: the Dana Lam, Constance Singam, Kanwaljit Soin one, not the fundie one.

    Yes, again and again and again and again!

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    [info]triciaseow
    2009-04-26 08:42 am UTC (link)
    i've always liked multiple... erm nvm.

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-26 11:14 am UTC (link)
    So have I!  ...if we're talking about the same 'multiple', that is.

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    [info]triciaseow
    2009-04-26 04:48 pm UTC (link)
    yeah with those everyone wins! :)

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    [info]marajaded
    2009-04-25 03:13 am UTC (link)
    I don't see the three items are 'promoting' a gay lifestyle, but rather a signal to say that they are inclusive. I mean what else have they done to 'promote' the lifestyle.

    Mothers' Day was in 2006, Spiderlilies opened in Singapore in 2007, so far that's one event a year. Of course their sex ed program prob runs throughout the whole year but including LGBT in a whole program isn't that much promoting as being comprehensive. I'm guessing the girls that attend the program are just begining to get to know their bodies and sexuality, and some of them would be lesbian or have lesbian friends no? Rather than a hetronormative (I think that's the word) program where these girls would be completely lost or not told that it's okay to feel what they feel, such a program makes sense to me.

    And if you think about it, AWARE is a pretty mainstream orgnisation, generally respected etc etc (hence the many people talking about it now), by having some LGBT stuff doesnt mean it promotes the lifestyle. I think we are getting to a point where it is almost naive to have a organisation for women and not talk about lesbians or choose to ignore the queer community. These are women too and it is also about their fundemental rights.

    Also, re: mothers' day, of course that would be something you expect out of PLU and other queer orgnisations, but it is key also for mainstream orgnisations to show and teach acceptance for such groups. AWARE would be the right vehicle to begin such inclusive agenda. Like I said, this is based on the 3 examples here which I don't see as an emphasis or agenda but rather a inclusion of the LGBT lifestyle in a whole host of other activities they do. Unless, these were the only activities done that year, or more than half their activities were LGBT centered I really don't see this as a promoting of the lifestyle. (anyway, [IMO] for fuck's sake, you're either gay or not, you can't just decide to be gay if you think it's fashionable... seriously.. )

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 06:58 am UTC (link)
    About having lesbian friends or being lesbian, yes telling them that being lesbian is OK is fine, but that's different from telling them that they should choose whether they want to be lesbian [q.v. my reply to [info]triciaseow].

    I think that they should be saying that being both heterosexual and homosexual are both normative instead of merely focusing on homosexuality as normal; the two orientations should always be mentioned together and equal emphasis on both.  We should not forget that these are impressionable girls we're talking about and how mature adults view issues is very different from how teenagers (especially rebellious and angsty teenagers) do.

    I think though it's not just how often LGBT-centred events are occurring but also the tone and approach taken.  All you need is one sermon out of 52 by a fundie Christian pastor speaking against Islam to ring Star Trek alarm bells (sorry, there is no equivalent sound in Star Wars to that "Enterprise to Red Alert!" sound....)  That's why I think even if there's only 1 event a year, the tone is important.  Events and activities should not be lesbian-centred but lesbian-friendly and lesbian-inclusive.  For example, for Spiderlilies, it's heartening to hear that the lesbian element was secondary to the plot [I myself have not watched it though I think I should (mmmmm... Isabella Leung....)].  And as for the Mother's Day event, I think it's good that the focus was on how precious was the love and bond between a mother and child, but surely it could have been about mothers with daughters who have strained the relationship, including runaway daughters, drug-abusing daughters, daughters who have turned to crime, to prostitution, daughters who have disowned their mothers over various issues, as well as lesbian daughters, not solely on lesbian daughters per se.

    I think that AWARE should be involved with the lesbian community only insofar as in the situation if a woman is being discriminated against—her lesbianity should only be circumstantial and it's the fact that she's a woman that matters.

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    [info]marajaded
    2009-04-25 07:08 am UTC (link)
    fair enough. Re sex ed, I don't think anyone can actually focus on homosexuality as normal. I assumed it meant it was part of a larger syllabus.

    am rushing off to work. will reply the rest later

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    (Anonymous)
    2009-05-02 05:18 am UTC (link)
    Re the movie screening and sex ed, I think some reports have clarified that the screening was at a charity gala and totally separate from the education programme. Just fyi, because the original post seems a bit unsure about that.

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-05-02 04:14 pm UTC (link)
    Yeah that was one of the things I was quite relieved to hear about on 25 April!

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 07:00 am UTC (link)
    (anyway, [IMO] for fuck's sake, you're either gay or not, you can't just decide to be gay if you think it's fashionable... seriously.. )

    I totally agree with this, but apparently there are some people who think that's it's not just merely a choice, but a fashionable choice.  It's like, WTF, seriously!

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    [info]mc_2
    2009-04-25 04:32 am UTC (link)
    Regarding your last comment that if it were an organisation of men, I think it would be equally bitchy.

    I recall the last GE (mainly male dominated) being quite petty and ungentlemanly as well. For instance, PAP's persistence of the James Gomez incident at one time. Quite a disgrace actually.

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    [info]jemauvais
    2009-04-25 06:00 am UTC (link)
    Er... I don't think you can compare them; that's politics and everything in politics is ugly, haha!

    Besides, er... I don't think how the James Gomez debacle unfolded is necessarily a male thing, just a, er... 'white' thing....

    However, if it were some Nanyang men clan association or the Chinese Swimming Club, do you think it would result in firing hostile staff and changing of locks?  Within a couple of weeks of the AGM?

    Edited at 2009-04-25 06:02 am UTC

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    [info]musomuse
    2009-04-25 12:01 pm UTC (link)
    men will just sit and simmer..

    and start the whole talk a month later.

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    [info]mc_2
    2009-04-25 02:17 pm UTC (link)
    Hmm... *recalls Lim Bee Wah and Singapore Table Tennis fiasco* you probably are right.

    Ack! Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

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